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Jack Sotallaro's avatar

First, your explanation is right on target. I too have divergent views on involvement in the two conflicts.

I believe we have a duty to work to end the Russia/Ukraine war for all the reasons you state. In addition to the reasons you document, there is the loss of life on both sides. Ukraine is not a member of NATO, but is on the path to membership. That's one of the "reasons" Putin gave for the war. The problem with NATO is the member nations usually won't get involved in a conflict anywhere that the US doesn't approve of, and DJT certainly doesn't support our boots on the ground there.

The US does have a history of interfering with Ukraine, and using it as a home for some dangerous labs that would not be allowed in the US.

Great Britain is no longer a western nation, as is the EU. All of them are being assimilated by Islam and will soon be overt enemies of the US instead of covert as they are today.

In my opinion, Trump is correct in working to end this war. Both sides need to understand that failing to make peace will invoke whatever actions we can take to make their lives miserable.

As for Israel, again, I agree with you that we should support them, My reasoning is simple. The Israeli government is on the front line of the war against the invasion and takeover of the western world by Islam. There is no time in Islam's history when they were not attempting to conquer/convert other religions, and this is the current manifestation of that aggression.

Europe is under attack, the US has enclaves of Islam here, and there are issues of defying our laws in favor of Sharia, and the continued spread, violently if necessary, if Islam is part of their religion and worldview. To not support the Israeli government in their conflict with Islam would be to allow the genocide of the Jewish people living there, the surrender of the Holy Land in total, and the strengthening of supporters of terrorism like Iran. We must support Israel.

I close with your words "I’m not saying I am right in either case. I’m just saying it is easier for me to understand the GOP led investment in Israel than it is the Democrat led investment in Ukraine."

Michael Smith's avatar

I was also thinking about how we have invited true invaders to live in America and in the process, created Dearbornistan, Michigan and Mogadishu, Minneapolis.

I wrote about the fall of the UK to Islam back in 2011 and France in 2013. At the time, I was living in Scotland and was told by many commenters to mind my own business.

sean anderson's avatar

The EU’s major members and the UK allowing mass immigration of Muslims is cultural suicide. The blindness of the secular elites’ vision deluded them into thinking these migrants would assimilate and contribute to the work force needed to maintain their welfare states. Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia, and the formerly communist Balkan states all have experienced either subjugation by the Muslim Ottoman Empire else had to fight vigorously to repel Ottoman aggression. The peoples of these nations know that Muslim migrants will not assimilate while Hungary and Poland have retained their Christian character better than the other EU members that are being converted to “Eurabia.” Hungary has actually incorporated Thomistic Natural Law theory into its current constitution making its Christian character much more robust than other traditionally Catholic nations.

At some point the United States will have to face up to the fact that the predatory nature of Islam means that First Amendment tolerance of Islam is impossible in the long term. Islam is as seditious as was international Communism and thetefore is a threat to our constitutional republic.

Fred Richmond's avatar

Absolutely correct. Islam is dangerous and never sleeps. Western elites see all this as racist. Islam, meanwhile, has mastered the art of boiling the frog.

sean anderson's avatar

The secular elites completely ignore the power of Muslim belief and suffer from historical blindness. Their worst miscalculation was imagining that these mjgrants would become a positive contribution to their economies to maintain their social welfare states. Instead most of them seem to think their welfare benefits are a form of jizya owed to them by their infidel hosts whim they despise.

Fred Richmond's avatar

Correct again. These nice folks never had any intention of contributing, only conquering. They are quite explicit and vocal and unapologetic in saying so. We "tut, tut, it can't happen here..."

Jerry Heck's avatar

Hajra, "go to the infidel's land and conquer from within." "Our (their) women's womb produce our warriors." The globalists are fully aware of the dangers of islam as it is their strategy. The tyrant class controls the masses by sowing chaos, meanwhile they travel about in luxury MRAPs and Gulfstreams to and fro' the gated hardened compounds of Devos, NYC, San Francisco, Hamburg, Pairs. . . .

Jack Sotallaro's avatar

And those that told you to mind your own business are either scared of what they’ve done or are so stupid as to think their plot worked.

Fred Richmond's avatar

Go with "stupid" or "willfully ignorant".

Fred Richmond's avatar

Those telling you to mind your own business back then would probably be more vocal now, despite the evidence all around them supports your view.

John F's avatar

I think the Ukraine analysis needs more development. Would be good to include what caused the war (besides FJB eating ice cream). What is Russia trying to accomplish? Is it mainly to keep NATO weapons from being positioned closer to Moscow? Or were they trying to gain some strategic resources? Or was it some secret labs with COVID (or worse) research they wanted to destroy? Or Nazis? We can't really tell from most news outlets. BTW - pretty sure Ukraine is not in NATO yet. Also pretty sure that is something Putin wants to prevent.

John Adams's avatar

Humans have always looked for reasons to kill each other, just like our ape ancestors who would kill over a banana. Territorial disputes of humans involve more than the banana republics of central America and can be over such things as which gods are the true gods, or water rights, sacred mountains, slaving rights, the list goes on.

sean anderson's avatar

Crimea was Russian rather than Ukrainian until Nikita Krushchev reassigned it to Ukraine SSR. Some Russo-phobes try to make the pitch that the Crimean Tatars have a better claim. But the Tatars arrived there along with the Mongols in the 13th century and following their conversion to Islam in effect became a satellite state of the Ottoman Empire. In effect to claim sovereignty for the Tatars (who now form a minority in largely Russian settled Crimea) would be in effect to claim sovereignty for Turkey, which would please Erdogan greatly. But Russia acquired Crimea in the eighteenth century which was then heavily settled and developed by the Russians. The ONLY reason the neo-cons want Ukraine to reclaim Crimea is their covetousness to acquire Sebastopol as a NATO military base so displacing Russian naval domination of the Black Sea.

Michael Smith's avatar

This is my understanding of Ukraine's history - it spans thousands of years, shaped by its strategic location and fertile lands:

Ancient and Early Medieval Period: Settlements date back to the Paleolithic era. The region saw Scythians, Sarmatians, and early Slavic tribes. In the 9th-13th centuries, Kyivan Rus', centered in Kyiv, was a powerful East Slavic state, often considered the cultural and political foundation of Ukraine, Russia, and Belarus. Christianity was adopted in 988 under Volodymyr the Great.

Foreign Rule and Cossack Era (13th-18th centuries): After Kyivan Rus' fell to Mongol invasions, Ukraine's lands were divided among Lithuania, Poland, and later the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The 17th century saw the rise of the Cossacks, semi-autonomous warriors. The 1648 Khmelnytsky Uprising, led by Bohdan Khmelnytsky, sought independence but resulted in the 1654 Treaty of Pereyaslav, aligning much of Ukraine with Russia.

Imperial and Soviet Eras (18th-20th centuries): By the late 18th century, Ukraine was partitioned between the Russian and Austro-Hungarian Empires. The 19th century saw a Ukrainian cultural revival. After World War I and the Russian Revolution, Ukraine briefly declared independence (1917-1921) but was absorbed into the Soviet Union in 1922. The Soviet era brought forced collectivization, the 1932-33 Holodomor famine (killing millions), and heavy Russification.

Independence and Modern Challenges (1991-Present): Ukraine gained independence in 1991 after the Soviet Union's collapse. It faced economic struggles and political corruption but pursued closer ties with the West. The 2004 Orange Revolution and 2014 Euromaidan protests rejected pro-Russian leadership, leading to Russia's annexation of Crimea and support for separatists in eastern Ukraine. The ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War, intensified by Russia's 2022 invasion, has caused immense destruction but solidified Ukrainian national identity.

Ukraine's history reflects resilience amid invasions, cultural suppression, and struggles for sovereignty, with its people continually shaping a distinct identity.

mvlbob's avatar

I share your positions almost exactly.

ThurmanLady's avatar

I don't particularly care about Ukraine, and am not even sure why we're helping. Yes, the war is awful, but so are any others. Our involvement seems to stem from Democrats being cozy with it (you can never accuse me of knowing much about foreign policy). Some stories, like the recent death of a family with a little girl, are sad, but that's about it. The fact that Russia has nukes makes it more compelling to get it ended, but that's the extent of my caring. Well, along with the fact that it would be a great win for President Trump to end it.

Israel? An entirely different thing. First, as a Christian, I view Israel more Biblically than as a "foreign country," for right or wrong. Second, it was the terror attack on so many innocents, the barbarism, and the fact that some hostages are Americans. Third, I see Islam as a danger, not just to European countries, as we're reading about more and more, but eventually to us. It's not just the Jews that they want to eliminate, and the foothold so many already have in the US is already worrying. Fourth, because of the way Jews are being treated by the left (mostly) in our own country over it.

Eric Ivers's avatar

I see no problem at all with the way you see things. We messed up Ukraine by removing a legitimate pro-Russia government and installing a comedian (literally) in its place. Because this was done under a previous (illegitimate, in my opinion) administration, we are under no obligation to continue defending the place. Russia is not bent on exterminating all Ukrainians.

As to defending Israel, we were directly involved in creating the current state. They have been strong allies since their current iteration. Their neighbors have been trying to exterminate them for decades. The $3 billion amounts to about .0000818 of our national debt. While I'm not in favor of giving them $3 billion per year, let's at least put it in perspective.

And there is the fact that Israel is the only democratic country in the entire Middle East. If they fall, so does that piece of democracy. That is dangerous to all of democracy.

And, in my case, religion comes into play. Israel is the birthplace of Christianity. The Jews are still God's chosen people, and, I, as a Christian, am proud to defend them.

Christine Franko's avatar

You have summed it up succinctly and I cannot disagree with any of your assessment. In addition, Europe and the US need to wake up to the immigration crisis or we will all be eating Halal.

Jerry Heck's avatar

We have to get out of the UN and NATO. NATO member Turkey does not border on the Atlantic is south of Europe is retrograding back to the good ole Ottoman Empire days, is occupied with colonizing Germany and speaking of Germany, would not allow for US Apache gunships to fly over their airspace during the Iraq War. As for Ukraine, with allies like US who needs Putin? The US under the democrats had Ukraine give up their nukes only to loose territory, but the bright side is Obama gave 'em blankets (cheap, not the Minky couture kind) I support Israel as they lead from the from the front ask for assistance then do all of the heavy lifting and Bibi owns a few suits.

Steve Sande's avatar

Ukraine is NOT a NATO member state.

Steve Sande's avatar

Never mind. I just saw that you said “not a member”. Did you change that, or did I lose my mind? 😜

Michael Smith's avatar

I fixed it online - can't fix the newsletter once it goes out.

Fred Richmond's avatar

Michael, thought-provoking post on two very vexed situations. Nothing simple here.

NOTE: I don't think that Ukraine is a member of NATO currently. They wish to be and Putin is totally against them becoming a member.

I think, somehow, that settling UKR v RUS is likely to be a Russia wins. UKR is "drafting" males over 60 now.

I am looking forward to the ensuing comments.