Also the North had immigrants from Europe that were Marxists that didn't want the US to survive. Slavery was only 3% and one of the biggest slave holders was a black man from South Carolina, William Ellison. Up until 1862 Lincoln wasn't concerned (in fact wanted to send them back to Africa as a humanitarian gesture since he said in a debate in 1858; paraphrased; "blacks and whites are different socially and economically and can't live together.") The beef was the US wanted to tax the South on with the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861. See link below. He had bad advisers (The Sandcreek Massacre of the Cheyenne of 1864; the execution in 1862 of 39 Dakota men after the US The war began after the U.S. broke its promise to provide food and supplies to the Dakota people. Believed 2 were innocent and their bodies used as medical cadavers...largest mass execution). Prior to the Civil War Jews lived well in the South. The Jews then in 1850 didn't want their European brethran coming here because alot were embracing Marxism. Problems began after the Carpetbaggers created havoc in the South and since alot of Jews settled later in the North didn't help. No Leo Frank lynching if he lived 60 yrs earlier. Lincoln did say about his cabinet near the end of his first term when frustrated "Dixie is smarter than my whole cabinet! And furthermore, she doesn't talk back!”
Poor choice was the German Communist (thought Marx was too conservative)immigrant who became a general August Willich. In 1870 he returned to Prussia to help with the military and refused because of his communist views.
Lincoln was the first in a long line who have castrated the intent of the founders as set out in the Constitution. I have not ever understood the mythic aura assigned. Assassination was not warranted however understandable
I have had the privilege to read parts of the diary from William Kinzer. You probably have no idea who he was, but he kept a daily journal from 1849 to 1911 in Carmel, Indiana.
The one entry I always remember is one he made after he entered a meeting, There was a man outside collecting money to go south, but slaves and bring them back north to free them. A huge issue at the time. Kinzer said, "I don't understand how slavery and freedom can co-exist."
He also said that with the election of Lincoln, it meant Civil War. It seems a lot of the people could see what was about to happen.
Well the “truism” that disgusts me is the claim that “ the Civil War settled the issue of whether State could succeed from the union!” This is just the vulgar “Argumentum ad Bacculum” that is, “might makes right!” The legality of secession was never directly addressed. Had South Carolina not made the move of bombarding Ft. Sumter there would have been little pretext for the Northern States to have responded militarily.
The other thing that disgusts me is the senseless adulation of John Brown who was a murderous terrorist who “executed” a slave who refused to fight with him at Harper’s Ferry. Slavery is a deprivation of liberty but Brown murdered a man and the right of life is more fundamental than the right of liberty.
From an FB friend, Janet Burtnick:
Also the North had immigrants from Europe that were Marxists that didn't want the US to survive. Slavery was only 3% and one of the biggest slave holders was a black man from South Carolina, William Ellison. Up until 1862 Lincoln wasn't concerned (in fact wanted to send them back to Africa as a humanitarian gesture since he said in a debate in 1858; paraphrased; "blacks and whites are different socially and economically and can't live together.") The beef was the US wanted to tax the South on with the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861. See link below. He had bad advisers (The Sandcreek Massacre of the Cheyenne of 1864; the execution in 1862 of 39 Dakota men after the US The war began after the U.S. broke its promise to provide food and supplies to the Dakota people. Believed 2 were innocent and their bodies used as medical cadavers...largest mass execution). Prior to the Civil War Jews lived well in the South. The Jews then in 1850 didn't want their European brethran coming here because alot were embracing Marxism. Problems began after the Carpetbaggers created havoc in the South and since alot of Jews settled later in the North didn't help. No Leo Frank lynching if he lived 60 yrs earlier. Lincoln did say about his cabinet near the end of his first term when frustrated "Dixie is smarter than my whole cabinet! And furthermore, she doesn't talk back!”
Poor choice was the German Communist (thought Marx was too conservative)immigrant who became a general August Willich. In 1870 he returned to Prussia to help with the military and refused because of his communist views.
https://www.al.com/.../war-over-slavery_rhetoric_is_i.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_WillichI'm
The War between the States had consequences that we live with every day. I concur it was unnecessary.
I concur. I would recommend this book: "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas J. DiLorenzo
Lincoln was the first in a long line who have castrated the intent of the founders as set out in the Constitution. I have not ever understood the mythic aura assigned. Assassination was not warranted however understandable
I have had the privilege to read parts of the diary from William Kinzer. You probably have no idea who he was, but he kept a daily journal from 1849 to 1911 in Carmel, Indiana.
The one entry I always remember is one he made after he entered a meeting, There was a man outside collecting money to go south, but slaves and bring them back north to free them. A huge issue at the time. Kinzer said, "I don't understand how slavery and freedom can co-exist."
He also said that with the election of Lincoln, it meant Civil War. It seems a lot of the people could see what was about to happen.
Well the “truism” that disgusts me is the claim that “ the Civil War settled the issue of whether State could succeed from the union!” This is just the vulgar “Argumentum ad Bacculum” that is, “might makes right!” The legality of secession was never directly addressed. Had South Carolina not made the move of bombarding Ft. Sumter there would have been little pretext for the Northern States to have responded militarily.
The other thing that disgusts me is the senseless adulation of John Brown who was a murderous terrorist who “executed” a slave who refused to fight with him at Harper’s Ferry. Slavery is a deprivation of liberty but Brown murdered a man and the right of life is more fundamental than the right of liberty.